posted 10-15-2006 09:30 PM CT (US)     

Dear All,

I am hopeful that this article will be helpful for all the CCIE Aspirants.I am Sure it would give you insight knowledge of rewards and
troubles assocaited in the process of Becoming a CCIE in India.

I started my journey 2 years back to become a CCIE in Security. Working in a Technical Call Center in Delhi somebody told me the salaries CCIE
are getting and i was game for it.I just wanted to get some high paying job and wanted to get out of the night shifts in BPO Business. I did my CCNA myself
as i found it very easy to read the concepts .CCNA was not enough game for me so i started preparing for CCNP .This time also no money so books were the
only trainer. I realised that i am pretty good in the knowledge and had absolutely no hands on experience. My Good luck got me a Job in Cisco TAC India and
i joined as VPN Specailist.Again Night shift jobs but this was different ,i learnt a lot about VPN and advance networks and devices like PIX,VPN CONCENTRATOR,CISCO
ASA,CISCOACS ,Wireless Networks etc. Within 9 months i joined a dubai based company for a package of 12 Lkahs that was pretty good .By this time i passed CCIE
Security Written(which is no achievement thanks to Testking). Before that i never bought any book of CCIE Lab as they were all too expensive and there is absolutely no book on ccie
seurity without a US $$$ Price. Now in Dubai ,i was able to afford all the required stuff. I bought my first book on CCIE Security in Dubai .It was the most famous book by yousuf Bhaiji
however contains lot of mistakes too.But overall i liked the book.First month of Going through those Labs was just too difficult.They are really very tough Lab .Then i bough a workbook
from Trinetnt through web and this workbook was just amazing. (It said Trinetnt has to close down there CCIE training company after major losses).

Now next 2 months were just amazing ,i did a lot of exercises and felt really confident. I realized that this is the right time to attempt exam. My company got me a Visa
for Brussels and i went for the Lab. Wow what an amazing experience .It was just so simple Lab when i first looked at it but when i started doing the lab and completed
over 80% ,i knew i failed badly. Its a test that checks your knowledge upto the Nose. As a Old VPN TAC engineer i knew a lot of VPN and security but lab was a combination
of hardcore routing issues,complex vpn built on routing and a hell lot of technologies breaking what you created in first 6 hours.

Life changed after this .I knew i needed a bootcamp training or forget about CCIE. I already lost 45000+60000+40000=145000 in travelling to Brussels and
lab exam attempt etc. I wanted to go to some good training company in US however my visa got rejected so i opted for Bangalore. I went to a Training company
in Bangalore who had big advertisement in News Paper as best CCIE Trainer and it contains come CCIE Number of his students.No other add contains 4 CCIE Numbers
so i opted for this.

MY CCIE Bootcamp:- I wanted to go for CCIE Security bootcamp but looking at my knowledge the trainer suggested he can only give training for R/S .He knew that
i am a really bad Security Guy so opted for a safe passage that he will not take a CCIE Security batch till the time ,he is certified.I liked his honesty.I gave him 125,000
as fee as he takes the full money in advance before starting the bootcamp. Training center was full of certificates of this Guy.He had almost all certififcations possible in
the world ,MCSE,CCNA,SAP,PRORGAMMING THINGS TO CCIE R/S. Not my concern ,i was more interested in getting a good training rather then investigative journalism.

So next day my bootcamp started and i was introduced to 2 CCIE R/S Fail guys and they became my trainer from there on. I found that they were complete peice of shit
and thier knowledge explained to me why they failed. However i already paid the money so no fault of thiers. Then i tried to forge a good relationship with these guys and came to
know the real story. This institute was full of freshers who just completed BTECH/BE or diploma from other institutes in the country.Most of them enrolled into CCIE
R/S program and failed thier first attempt. I tried to calculate the cost with then CCIE Training=1.25 Lakhs,Exam Fee=60000 ,Trip to Dubai =25000 (Travel and Accomodation for 2 days)
as there are always no dates in Bangalore for a long time.
So the total cost comes to 2.10 Lakhs and all of them spent around 18 month in Bangalore WITH A DREAM OF Becoming CCIE. Now they had no choice then become a CCIE
Trainer with a salary as stipend of RS. 5000 PM.They had no money to for the next exam attempt and nobody offers them a good job as they are just Tesking Written CCIE's.

Now the story of those 5 CCIE's who passed in there 2nd and 3rd attempts. They all shared some things with each other and became paper CCIE Lab certified however None of them
has got a job yet as they are just plain shit and Expertise expected out of a CCIE is Huge. Technical Interview expectations from a CCIE are just complex .

I knew that i am in Wrong hands and wanted to fly from there asap so i went to another CCIE School in Bangalore to enquire however before enterning there i met a very old friend.
He told me his story that this training company does not have a single CCIE Trainer and they are even not capable of running CCNA level Training but because of big website publicity on Google they are fooling a lot of Guys.This was run by some notorius guy . company is hbfbites.com

Next thingi did was to fly back to Dubai in the middle of so called bootcamp however it was too late ,My company hired a CCIE Lab certified guy as they expected from me and
showed me a good looking Pink Slip. Now What Next....................I was no where. I had no money,no job and no failth. I will soon post next part of my CCIE journey soon....
In the mean time beware of these Bangalore type Training centers who does not produce anything but become a ccie themselves by asking the students whole
exam content.

posted 10-15-2006 09:42 PM CT (US)         

I like your article CCIE Troubles .Everybody in Bangalore Knows these 3 training centers .TOPGUN,HBFBITES AND SAFAS ,They are just fooling people.Rakesb kapoor came for ccie training and told Ajay Pandey complete exam and A jay pandey became CCIE .HBF guy even cannot teach CCNA Properly and Safas is bull shit.
I also got cheated in bangalore .Thanks for helping other people in write direction. My TIPS for New Comers.

posted 02-22-2006 12:29 AM CT (US)         

I agreed your points.

CCIE – Exam (Lab) only for eyewash,

This is not space science technology exam.

This is product trouble shooting exam.

If you know very well trouble shoot knowledge Cisco products, you can able to pass.

Non IT Industry no value of this certification (CCIE)

World wide 5 % people know this certificate value.

Cisco they have office 50 Branch Offices world wide .

posted 04-27-2006 07:38 AM CT (US)         

Bangalore is the best place for training, TOPGUN & HBFITES are the best institute for ccie. they have the best lab facilities.
I work for cisco and had undertaken training for CCNA in TOPGUN & CCNP in HBFITES.

dont go by this fools

1. RAHULK- pls check his contact details he is from netzoneindia.net ( a Training institute in delhi)

2. Manpreet- he is from networknuts.net(a training institute)

posted 06-09-2006 09:41 AM CT (US)         

thanks to the institute for playing with my carrier, so that i can be an example to others so dont go blindly to such fake institute and waste money and time.I am here to write this just because i suffered a lot and wasted lot of time as well money.
so think 100 times before enrolling yourself.

posted 06-10-2006 11:53 PM CT (US)         

I completely agree with rahul, manpreet and ccieindia. This srstver12 and manojonline2000 are not correct, may be they are close friends of Ajay Pandey of top gun or he himself might have posted this.

Ajay pandey is the hero of this article. He takes total fee in advance from the students by telling that he is the best instructor in India and will teach everything required to become ccie. After seeing his class, students will not pay, that is why he takes in advance. But, he never takes a single class and not even interested in clarifying student doubts. He talks all bullshit that i am buying this car, this bike and bla bla except ccie contents. Instead of teaching the networking stuff, he encourages students to go for shortcuts, so that he can help them in preparing solutions for that shortcuts.

He says that he is preparing for both CCIE-Voice & SP and will give both exams together. But he is eagerly waiting to get some 4 or 5 students for Voice & SP, so that he can send them FIRST for the lab and then he can get whole exam content from them and then he will go for lab exam to pass. He will not bother for the students who will go first and fail the lab.

The above article shows how he became CCIE-R&S and CCIE-Security. He don't know ABCD of security and he will not be interested in teaching security at all.

I am also one of the ill fated student who lost hard earned money, valuable time with a hope that he will teach something so that i can become CCIE. But, I got only frustration.

posted 06-13-2006 12:09 PM CT (US)         

so here i go ..
1>HBF tranning :i decided to visit hbf first coz it was nearest to my place ...

as one enters the instiutes ..one is jus embezzeled wid the racks and patch panels in their labs ..i was asked to sit in one of the labs and wait..for a counsellor ...

in a few mins i was assigned to sum mr DE*
who was supposedly handling the CCNA and CCNP classes thr ...

of corse i had lotsa questions on my mind ..
i began wid ..a few basic ones ..like

1>how much weight wuld this CCNA cetfication put on my resume ...wen i graduate ..

i wish to join cisco ..2 yrs down the line {and i kno ..i deserve it ..and ill make it nyhow ..]

now dis guy starts showin me CCIE dreams ..
he tells me that CISCO HAS NO OPENINGS FOR FRESHERS AT ALL>>
they take only the CCIE's

and that they culd turn me into a CCIE in 45 days ...
wow!i exclaimed ....first things first ..to b honest ..i was literally amazed by his confidence of turning me into a ccie in 45 days ...i wonderd if crackin CCIE labs was that easy ..y the hell were thr jus 900 CCIE s all over the world .!!!!!

i pretended to b a no-knower ..and agreed wid him ...
and carried on wid my questions ...

NOW that they din have ny batches in the evening ...he said ..he can arrange special
weekend bacth for CCNA ..he said he ll teach all that one needs to clear CCNA in over a weekend ..OMFG OMFG i said to myself ..then and thr itself i got an idea ..of wat was goin on here ...
nyways i stuck in thr ..for sumtime ..
within a few mins this guy was tellin me abt himself ..that he was a BA {english }then a LLB ..and now in this netrkin field !!!...woah that was a revelation ...{i m sure he was a loser in all of them..}..culdnt speak a complete sentence in english ..and wanted me to belive he was a super smarty ..who ll thru sum magic ..jus turn me into a CCNP in 2 days ....{worst part ..he wanted me to buy dat ?]..wateva ...

while i was leavin frm thr ...mebbe in an attempt to impress me ..the centre incharge introduces me to ...a fellow ..who was a CCSP.. i had a brief talk wid him ..since i m interested more in netwrk security stuff than R/s or nything else ...donno wat it was {mebeb he was imperseed wid me :D}..but within a few mins i had struck a cord wid dis guy ..and he gave me sum real gud guidance abt my career {atleast he knew ..that CISCO INDEED has fresher positions !lol }..a veryy nice fellow ..i jus loved talkin to him ..he was very honest in tellin me ..that i shuld ..dpend on MY SELF STUDY ..rather than joining ny insti here ...THOUGH HE DIN SAY MUCH ..
a hint was all that was needed ...i knew wat he was talkin abt ...i bid gudbye ..but den again i m still tankful to lord ..that i met sum1 like him ..good things happen :)

institute no 2>TOP GUN

i hurriedly caught an auto and decided to go to topgun ..it was 7 in the evening ..i called up at top gun and asked dem to help me wid their address ..
i reached their center in rajajinagar at 7:45 ..i was thankful that ..the receptionist and sum isntrucctors waited for me ..though thier closin down time was 7 30 ....k ...as soon as i occupied a seat ..the receptionist {a sweet lady wid a relaly nice smile :)}..handed me the personal info form ...i tried to enquire abt the course ..but every1 thr ..gave me a stare ..as to directin the fill the form first..lol ...
i did it ..and then she gave me the course content sheet. .told me abt the batch timings and all ..
then i was back to my usual questions ...
neevrtheless ..the instructor thr ..cudnt answer ny of dem satisfactorily ..{mann he was lookin soo terrified ...donno if he was shakin as well ..:D} ..i pitied him ..and decided not to bother him much ..:)

din get to enter their labs though ..but by now my hopes of gettin a gud instructor for my training had died out ...

i WAS PLANNING TO VISIT SAFAS tomorrow ..but den suddenly while searchin abt CCIE trainig in india ..happened to hit this forum page ...to say the least >> IM SHOCKED and dumbstruck ..ALL MY UNFOUNDED FEARS HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED <>..that their's really no proper training for these available in india {atleast not in banagloer ..}....

i m jus feelin soo screwd at the moment ..
kya socha tha ..aur kya ho raha hai ..
BUT I M FEELIN HAPPPY that i was saved from
SQUANDRIN my money at ny of these ...fc*** institutes ....A BIGG HEARTY
thanks to the creator of this thread ..and other active ppl in this forum ..
keep up the gud wrk ppl ..!!!adios !

{i guess ..i may also turn to b an active member of dis forum ..:D
now on }

aah ..i ve written quite a story !!
but i donno how to cut things shrt ..!!
i m veryy sry indeed ...for borin u all ..:D
but i felt it was necessary to voice ..wat i felt ....and yea ..mr ..*** who has written that the creator of this thread ..is tellin all concoted facts ...
is very wrong ...i can tell by own experince ..{i m gud at judging ppl :D} ..that it is all atleast 90% truth ...

now i ve decided to take up the whole task of doin CCNA ..on my own ..and not to join ny of dese fraud institutes .....

i m goin back to my todd lamlee .tomorrw :)

BTW DOES NY! HAS NY IDEA ABT DIS INSTITUTE
NETMETRIC >>HYDERABAD ..looks they have sum triple CCIE instructor...and they charge 2 lacs + for their CCIE bootcamp {7 days!}

posted 06-13-2006 12:18 PM CT (US)         

oops .i m sry if that was a dumb q ..i m not aware if i can find out the mail addreses of memebers ..
nyways ..

I M EAGERLY WAITING FOR mr RAHULS next article regardin his stint wid CCIE !..

again ..as i read my post...i find lotsa spelling mistakes ..fogive me for dat ..
i m soo lazy ..and at the moment feelin 22 s;eepy to edit and post it again ..bear wid me :)

kehte hai naa bhawnao ko samjho :D

posted 06-14-2006 05:52 AM CT (US)         

Actually some guys (might be they are a part of other training institutes and some are the X(Bad) students of Top Gun Technolgies) are trying to criticise Top Gun.

The truth is that the other training institutes are not able to match the Top Guns teaching quality and the success, so they are into this silly conversations (experiances)....

First of all, believe me I am not Ajay Pandey who is typing this. Since, I know Mr. Ajay, he will not play games hiding, he is straight forward. (Since Mr. Chris2007 says "This srstver12 and manojonline2000 are not correct, may be they are close friends of Ajay Pandey of top gun or he himself might have posted this.")

So, let me expalin you about all the Authors first:

1. rahulk:

This guy knows nothing of Networking or Security and before joining Top Gun he had already attempted his CCIE lab once as he mentioned. (" MY CCIE Bootcamp:- I wanted to go for CCIE Security bootcamp but looking at my knowledge the trainer suggested he can only give training for R/S .He knew that i am a really bad Security Guy so opted for a safe passage that he will not take a CCIE Security batch till the time ,he is certified.I liked his honesty.I gave him 125,000")

The two failed ccies had helped him to do the basic labs (CCNA, NP and CCSP) first, as this guy is having ZERO knowledge in basics. He was not knowing to configure Frame-Relay, ACLs, NAT..and the training was going perfectly.

Seeing Top Guns success, he thought that he too can earn by opening an institute in DELHI/BOMBAY/PUNE...like TOP GUN...and since he is from Dubai, he was loaded and he used to play a lot of SHARE MARKET....

This guy even offered a JOB in his institute for these TWO FAILED CCIEs, they softly rejected, (they know he is going NUTS)...so he purchased 2/3 Racks Online from Top Gun...in his training period and on ONE FINE DAY he ran away WITHOUT INFORMING MR. AJAY PANDEY.....that he is leaving....

AND all the CCIEs who are passed from TOP GUN are in a very good position...and there is no knowlede transfer happens in TOP GUN, since these guys knows thats its NDA.....

2. manpreet ...

Its NDA boss...no one should disclose about their exam...So this guy is wrong.

So typing about this guy is a TYPING WASTE....

3. ccieindia

Sorry sir , there are no short cuts available to pass CCIE any TRACK....and dont talk about any one without knowing.....If you know any shortcut, then why dont you try one..why you are wasting your time here?

4. chris2007 (Hmmmmm....interersting).. I know about this man very much....

He mentions

a. "Ajay pandey is the hero of this article."

This guy is a Villain.. thats why he is behind the back of the HERO....this is COMMON

b."He takes total fee in advance from the students by telling that he is the best instructor in India and will teach everything required to become ccie. After seeing his class, students will not pay, that is why he takes in advance."

I think he is more bothered about not able to run away after grasping the knownledge from the HERO...

I know the teaching style of Mr. Ajay. You will learn more than what you have paid for. There are some cases where some students ran away after attending 90% of the course. Thats why they collect the fees in advance and not in any other mean...

Yes, he is the Best Instructor....

c. "He says that he is preparing for both CCIE-Voice & SP and will give both exams together. But he is eagerly waiting to get some 4 or 5 students for Voice & SP, so that he can send them FIRST for the lab and then he can get whole exam content from them and then he will go for lab exam to pass. He will not bother for the students who will go first and fail the lab."

For your information, no one knows and Top Gun never advertised that they teach Voice and SP....so what you are talking about is point less.

d. ":The above article shows how he became CCIE-R&S and CCIE-Security. He don't know ABCD of security and he will not be interested in teaching security at all."

Mr. --ddy...actually you are describing yourself here... why you have joined Security training without knowing ABCD of Security?

You dont know how to configure static route, default route, about minimum knowledge in routing protocols, ACLs, NAT, CCSP bascs (these all are ABCDS of Security) and you joined the training....

e. "I am also one of the ill fated student who lost hard earned money, valuable time with a hope that he will teach something so that i can become CCIE. But, I got only frustration."

Actually youi are lucky to join Top Gun...and dont feel that you have wasted your valuable time, money etc...since you have learned the basic networking and security for a free of cost(BECAUSE, YOU HAVE PAID THE FEES ONLY FOR THE LAB TRAINING AND YOU HAVE LEARNED THE BASICS)which will help you a lot in your future...

SO GUYS STOP CRITISING AND USE YOUR TIME AND STRENGTH IN A GOOD WAY....

posted 06-14-2006 06:36 AM CT (US)         

Dont expect to get a spoon feeding for CCIE. Be clear with concepts and be in flow. And that is how people earn CCIE. I have seen many guys from Top Gun Earn CCIE number. If a true and dedicated guy didnt earn the number he is atleast amongs stars.

posted 06-15-2006 02:22 AM CT (US)         

There is a saying guys :- Perfection cannot be improved and for me Top Gun Network Technologies is the perfect and best network and security institute in INDIA.

posted 06-15-2006 03:57 AM CT (US)         

firstly i'd say that lots have already been said by people regarding the good n bad things abt. CCIE.... but wat i fail to understand is y Mr. Rahul just had a backseat after writing the first article... if he actually wanted a discussion to pursue (which is wat these blogs are supposed to do) why doesn't reply.... well i am a Topgun passout and am quite satisfied with it and in fact i liked Ajay's teaching style n strategy... in fun n frolic u get to learn things u'd never learn on a normal platform... i unsuccessfully attempted my lab at Dubai but as mr. rahul is put very boldly that even ccie passouts didn't get a job, is surely not true...

as there are loads of examples i can put here but that would just make me a part of the cat-fight which i am not interested in...

posted 06-16-2006 12:57 AM CT (US)         

Rahul/Manpreet, dudes, if CCIE is not ur cup of tea pls join cookery classes. if u dont ve the mental, its not somebody else's fault. if you want somebody to spoonfeed u.. trust me IT is sure not 4 u..

one can show u the door but its up to u to walk through it.

i did my np from topgun 3 yrs back, today i make CCIEs run for their money! (no offence to CCIEs). the point here is, i got my CCNP right! thanks to TopGun and Mr.Pandey!

posted 06-20-2006 11:35 AM CT (US)         

and mr. ACCIE if you dont know the shortcuts for ccie then you are not updated to the market,even these days not topgun most of the institutes are using the shortcut(********.com)

posted 06-23-2006 08:06 PM CT (US)         

www.groupstudy.com

www.networkingboards.com

posted 10-22-2006 07:24 AM CT (US)         

If i just open your story you will loose your number .You were the only one to pass the CCIE lab in the first attempt all because of your group .

posted 10-22-2006 07:29 AM CT (US)         

Mr Reddy took a ccie security bootcamp and he even did not get a single day training.